

Star Trek Model Kits: The Great Debate
We made a promise not to discuss the development of our 1:350 TOS Enterprise Star Trek model kit outside of our 1701CLUB updates. This blog post won’t talk about it directly but it does address a significant concern among modelers that seems to have turned into a great debate. This post won’t be about what we will do or what we won’t do, but explains the kinds of things that we have to keep in mind when making decisions about our new kits.
Two words seem to strike fear into the hearts of model builders everywhere… GRID LINES. So, let’s ask the question. Why in the universe would we consider adding such a detail to a hyper-accurate model kit? I don’t have to remind modelers that until we came along, no AMT Enterprise model was ever built without a modeler having to slave over meticulously sanding the stupid things off the saucer… Wait, none of them were ever built without doing that…? Well maybe as kids we never removed them. There was no way to accomplish that at that age and get it to look right. With time, our skills improved and we found ways of improving things as best we could and every build any of us ever did came out looking great… Didn’t it? Well, maybe there were some cases where incredible effort was put forth but some builds weren’t quite as nice as the next. Is that all on the modeler? Or is the manufacturer responsible to some extent? How many kits were made back in the day with saggy nacelles? If it wasn’t one thing, it was another.
So here’s the quandary, do we appeal to a core demographic of the really amazing modelers out there and leave something like the top of a saucer smooth or should we consider adding VERY fine engraved lines that would really help out everyone else to make their build look as accurate as they can manage? What if we could do lines so fine that when viewed from an arms length look like they’re drawn on…
Let’s break it down further…
REASONS AGAINST:
1) it is not accurate to the filming model. The lines were drawn on with a pencil, not engraved.
2) Talented modelers are capable of drawing the lines on themselves.
3) … well… See reasons 1 & 2, I guess.
4) SEE REASONS 1 & 2! (Expletives mercifully deleted)
REASONS FOR:
1) The model kit should represent the TOS U.S.S. Enterprise… as in the one with Captain Kirk standing on the bridge and Scotty in the back screaming that he needs more time. The ship has a deflector grid on the saucer that falls between metal plating resulting in narrow valleys on the surface of the hull. (Or did Apollo’s green hand draw them on with a giant space pencil?). The filming model had some other wonky stuff that we wouldn’t want to copy exactly either. So, we aren’t completely beholden to the filming model, our mission is to create a representation of Matt Jeffries’ design in support of what was shown onscreen.
2) If handled correctly, the engraved lines would look just like penciled on lines.
3) Drawing concentric circles on a 14” curved saucer is not an easy task for anyone. More often than not, most modelers will struggle with it.
4) Star Trek has a wide appeal beyond the modeling market. Tons of Star Trek fans would be interested in building such a kit even if they aren’t modelers or even artists. If engineered well and thought through, the kit should allow them to be able to build an accurate representation of the ship for themselves.
5) If we don’t keep in mind that any kit could be someone’s first kit, we as model kit manufacturers wouldn’t be doing our due diligence.
6) Most modelers who really work over the details of a build to achieve their vision of perfection have the skill to eliminate the lines without much trouble. Or at least they would not have nearly as much trouble removing them, as another modeler would have with drawing them on.
All this is considered without a firm decision in mind at this point. We’ll see how it goes. 1701CLUB members will be the first to find out the answer.
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As always sarcasm reads worse than spoken. @HK_sends: (X3) Thank you so much for explaining how debates and forums work. I was making the point that it seems like every person that doesn’t want the lines on the saucer, wants some sort of device or option to put them right back on and I found that funny, the rest was just sarcasm. Anyway, I can’t wait for this model and I think it’ll be fantastic either way.
I would vote to have very fine grid lines scribed into the plastic, not protruding from the plastic. If they are light filling them for those that did not want them would be very easy. Drawing them yourself even with tools would be a tricky proposition and require four or more hands. Decals could work but for a very fine line you would need to cover the entire surface with a solid decal and that is going to be a big problem in getting it to lay flat. Decals that fine applied to line up with the grid is not going to be plausible either other than for the most patient and skilled modeler. Making two parts in each box, one with and one without, is going to raise costs and seems like taking the most irrational approach to placate a very few modelers who could almost as easily fill in the lines if they wanted. So you got my vote and my rationale. I’ll be quite happy with whatever I get actually.
Jamie. are the glue Batmobiles on the water yet?
jaws62666- Yes they are. It looks like they will arrive in our warehouse the first week of September.
I have been a Trek fan since the beginning… I have read sources that said Roddenberry wanted lines on the filming model so they drew them on with a pencil. As a member of the TOS E 1/350 1701 club I would like to see the lines. Just because the film camera back then couldn’t see them does mean they were not there. See the model in the Smithsonian. The top of the saucer has not been restored. The lines are there. An advanced modeler could just fill them in. I think that regular Trek fans would expect them to be there. Thanks for developing this kit. I hope it sells well…
Hi Jamie,
I wonder if I can return to the subject of licence agreements. Being in Europe, actually the UK, I am frustrated that I cannot join the 1701 club and (especially)get the T shirt; getting the special edition kit is less of a worry as I will get the volume release kit plus ad ons from sites such as Starship Modeller in due course anyway. However, I want to participate in the buzz and anticipation from now till then. Is there anyway that non-US based enthusiasts could still get the e mail shots and be given an opportunity to buy the T shirt as a stand alone item, but fore go the kit via the club ? Does this get you around the licence agreement issue? Hope you can do somthing here, I appreciate it’s more work and complexity for you folks, but it would be a huge boost (to me anyway!). All the best.
Hi,Jamie
Just adding my voice to that of Magnification,above.
Its not true that recent riots in the UK were caused by dissatisfied modellers unable to join the 1701 club,but it could easily have been
I personally would enjoy seeing the Polar Lights 1/1000th starship line expanded. My biggest complaint with model starships is the varying scales which they come in, no constant scale is available. I believe the 1/1000 scale solves that problem.
I’ve built the original Constitution class, as the Constellation, plus the Klingon D-7 class of starship. I think a Reliant to go with the 1/1000 scale Constitution refit which has recently been released would be great. An original Romulan Bird of Prey would round out the previous original series ships released. Hope to see this happen. I enjoy the detail and ease of construction of your Polar Lights kits. Thanks, Russell
Any update on 1701 shirts? Can’t wait to sport it with pride!
I don’t care if it has grid lines or not. I’m just happy a 1/350 kit is coming at all. And if it does sell well, then I would love to see a fleet of 1k kits. Enterprise D in 1/1000 anyone? I can dream right?
hey i had a brain fart, remember the small shuttle that came in the 22inch refit star trek V kits? how bout a cadet series of shuttles in that scale??? starting with the original ent, and ending with the voyager series delta flyer?? would be a good addition to the small trek series.
Just puchased Panoramic “Star Trek: Ships of the Line 2012 Calander.” The front cover has a GREAT PICTURE of the Refit Enterprise with a mirror image of the Classic ship. They show the “grid lines,” recessed of course None the less, this is a really cleare picture of what the model “could” look like…
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GG0O2W/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1449404642&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=02HXTGKAM4BKCTZTM3WP
Jamie- what did you come up with on those dash doors for the deluxe Batmobile?
Regarding the latest poll- If you decide to start charging extra for adding “mini showcases”, wich can already be purchased seperately, will you be releasing each model without them as well? I am not willing to pay extra for a cheap plastic showcase when I can already get them elsewhere. IMO this is a rediculous idea. It will reguire larger packaging as well, further driving up the cost of the kits.
I see that the Batmobile glue kit is in the states now. Still wondering about those dash doors though.
I have a thought with a question, if you place raised gridlines on the model, how do you maintain the lines between the upper and lower saucer? When you have to fill and sand the parts smooth.
This brings to mind another model company that was notorious for raised panel lines on their aviation subjects. If you have ever made one of these kits, the lines are not a convenience.
I still do not understand this debate. There were no engraved lines on the filming model so why would anyone want them on this model. They were drawn on with a pencil! If round 2 wanted to include a pencil with this model, I could understand. However, to engrave lines is blasphemy. Most people in the modeling world are such perfectionist and accuracy fanatics, I can’t understand anyone asking for engraved or raised lines on a model, especially one this expensive. Please, no grid lines.
I thought we established there were grid lines? Regardless, I am just happy to have the model. If I understand correctly, however, the gridlines represent two things: the hull panels AND the deflector grid. In Star Trek tech, the hull is made up of hull plates, these RECESSED (not raised) lines represent where the plates meet (which like I said is where the deflector field is generated around the ship). This might be diving into Star Trek tech to much, but we are building a replica of a starship. The gridlines (recessed) appear in TOS remastered versions, and most other images and models of this ship. The big question to ask is what verison of the ship is Round2 trying to represent? The onscreen ship, the remastered ship dvd’s, etc.. I will be the first to admit that the raised lines from the original AMT release looked bad (all those years ago).
This debate has been going as long as models of the original enterprise have existed. There are websites that prove they did exist. The original filming miniature in the Smithsonian has the grid lines on top of the saucer, which, as far as I know, was left untouched during the restoration. Reference pics are available on any number of reference sites. Having said that, they are extremely subtle and I can understand some people not wanting them to be visible at all. The most reasonable solution, IMO, is to make them recessed and as fine as possible. Those that don’t want them on their enterprise can fill them in with little to no trouble. Those that want them there but extremely subtle can paint the model and they would only be visible upon close examination. Those that want more pronounced lines can run a thin mechanical pencil through the lines once the model is painted. Once again, just my opinion.
To satisfy both camps in the grid line debate wouldn’t the solution be to have very fine, raised lines? Having built a couple of AMT Classic E’s I have found it easier to sand the grid off with moderate to little effort. However, having built a couple of AMT Movie E’s, with the bad detail engraved on them, I have never bothered to fill in that accursed pattern and sand the movie E smooth. I would prefer no grid lines but if they are very fine and raised a light sanding would take them of easier than filling them in.
Now that the Leif Ericson has hit the shelves with the long missing lighting kit ( and THANK GOD you put it back) what are the chances of the original AMT Enterprise being reissued with it’s original lighting kit put back in?